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Battling on, with the KR

Funcinpec guerrilla leader Nhek Bun Chhay said in Nov 6 interview that he intends

to meet Khmer Rouge chief Ta Mok to seek "integration" of the KR forces

with those loyal to Prince Norodom Ranariddh - continuing what Second Prime Minister

Hun Sen has termed the "Ranariddhization of the Khmer Rouge". Nhek Bun

Chhay spoke to Tom Fawthrop, a correspondent of the Sunday Times in London,

at a hotel in Surin, Thailand. Excerpts:

Q: What will you discuss with Ta Mok?

A: We will discuss the integration of our forces and ask for Pol Pot to be

handed over to an international tribunal.

When will the meeting take place?

Soon. We are waiting for [resistance chief and former KR] General Iem Phan from

Samlot to join the meeting.

Ta Mok insists that Hun Sen has to be arrested first [before Pol Pot is handed

over]. Are you setting any conditions?

Ta Mok's conditions are very reasonable because Pol Pot and Hun Sen are the same

- they kill Cambodian people just the same.

What kind of integration do you want with the forces of Anlong Veng?

Just the same as in Phnom Malai and Pailin: the consolidation of troops and forces

and official ranks [headed by Rannariddh].

Are you aiming for a 50-50 relationship with the Khmer Rouge?

They have more forces but we are the Royal Government, we are legal, and they

are trying to consolidate with us so it can't be 50-50. Their strong power-base in

Anlong Veng is not part of the equation. They have only a small territory, but the

majority of Cambodian territory belongs to the Royal Government. Ta Mok is only one

group, so they have to accept and follow us.

How can you trust Ta Mok? During the coalition with the Khmer Rouge in the 1980s

didn't you have many problems - why can you trust the Khmer Rouge now?

It is not only Ta Mok. In Anlong Veng many are not happy with Ta Mok - Ta Mok

does not have the same power as before. Some want to rejoin Cambodian society. There

are a couple of factions

What are the different factions?

There is a 50-50 split between the Ta Mok faction and the Pol Pot faction now

that Khieu Samphan has sided with Ta Mok.

How do you rate Ta Mok?

He is completely different from Pol Pot - the way he controls his forces, the

structure in Anlong Veng. Pol Pot's organization was on the basis of absolute power

but with Ta Mok there is some freedom .

What integration has taken place so far?

General Mean Sarin, the [Funcinpec, now with the resistance] governor of Preah

Vihear province, has set up a base at the temple of Preah Vihear [the famous temple

straddling the Cambodian-Thai border which was captured by the KR in June 1993].

Do they stay with the Khmer Rouge inside the temple?

No, they are camped two kilometers away.

Can anyone else get access to the temple?

We plan to hold an integration ceremony [of KR] soon. We also want to open the

temple to tourists.

Is Ieng Sary's recent statement of support for Phnom Penh a major setback for

your struggle?

That is only talk by Ieng Sary and we don't know if Hun Sen forced him to go to

Phnom Penh. His press statement is not from his own mind or brain; this is from Hun

Sen's intimidation telling him what to say. Ieng Sary has told us he is always neutral.

It is only a cosmetic change. Hun Sen probably called Ieng Sary to Phnom Penh to

ask him to organize a rival Solidarity Party to oppose the National Solidarity Party

set up by Khieu Samphan - because Hun Sen always likes to have two of everything.

[On the Tuol Sleng detention center in Phnom Penh during the Pol Pot regime, which

Pol Pot has described as an invention of the Vietnamese]

In 1979, when the Vietnamese occupied Cambodia they killed many Cambodian people

in Pursat and Oral. You should know that Tuol Sleng genocide museum was organized

by Hun Sen and the Vietnamese. If the Khmer Rouge killed the people they would not

put the evidence for people to see. The bones displayed in Tuol Sleng were collected

from Pursat province and the Oral Mountain - the Vietnamese killed approximately

15,000 people in Pursat and 20,000 in Oral.

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